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As always I was trying to maneuver through the mess at Raleigh Times. Seeing people on crutches and with strollers being pushed to the curb and walking on unstable grates and rusted covers to get by these tables that are taking up well over half of the sidewalk. Why are other establishments held to a different standard. Before the ordinance took place this establishment was and still is the main issue. Obnoxious and unsafe. I still don't quite understand how prior to this ordnance other places maintained their crowds better than Raleigh Times. Anyhow, this is constant at this place. Why doesn't Raleigh Times have to abide?
24 Comments
Doug (Registered User)
Having lived in the area for years it is hard to take this comment seriously.
Yes the Raleigh Times has presented pedestrians with challenges which needed to be addressed. They now seem to be getting addressed in a reasonable manner based on my experience walking around at all hours.
The observations about "other establishments held to a different standard" does not square with the downtown reality. Neither does the final question.
From what I read in the paper city officials are trying out new rules which are not yet fully in place. Nowhere has it been reported that any establishments will be exempted from the new rules.
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Reopened Neighbor (Registered User)
This *is* issue 1880321... you closed issue 1879295 saying it's a duplicate of this one. Both are talking about the same issue, yet you closed both of the issues saying they're duplicates of each other. Can you please address one of them???
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Reopened Neighbor (Registered User)
Hi again,
Is there no rule that states the width of the sidewalk to be allowed for pedestrian traffic? If so, the distance from the ropes to the grate covering the trees is <2 feet.... clearly impassible for a wheelchair. The attached picture shows the obvious sidewalk obstruction. No wheelchair could get past this, as I could hardly walk my dog past this on Friday night.
Thank you!
rovers (Registered User)
Madison (Registered User)
Closed NICK (Verified Official)
The ordinance can be found at http://www.raleighnc.gov/content/CorNews/Documents/OutdoorSeatingOrdinance.docx.
Section 3, D, 3, states "The location of any Outdoor Seating Area shall provide for an unobstructed pedestrian corridor a minimum of five (5) feet in width." Again, from the context of the picture that was provided it does not appear that any rules were violated. Staff will continue to enforce the ordinance that was approved by Raleigh City Council.
Reopened Concerned Citizen (Registered User)
Hi City of Raleigh 4,
Maybe I am missing something or looking at the wrong pictures, but the 2 photos here show much less than 5 feet of unobstructed pedestrian corridor. The distance from the rope to the curb may be 5 feet, but it's certainly obstructed by trees.
Moving forward, if this issue persists, with whom can citizens call to address the issue? I also live in downtown Raleigh and have experienced this first hand. It was more than frustrating to see a little lady trying to pass this area in a motorized wheelchair last week, and I'd like to think the City would pay attention to these issues. Who can we contact if/when this issue arises again? Do we call local police?
Rovers, I don't believe that this neighbor is trying to single out a business; it just so happens that this business is the only one who has less than five feet of unobstructed pedestrian walkway :) and I must say, the noise was no less than it was 6 months ago, so I do not think these sidewalk patio rules have helped in the least.
Madison (Registered User)
Madison (Registered User)
Closed NICK (Verified Official)
Reopened Concerned Citizen (Registered User)
There is not 5 feet between the ropes of their patio & the tree in the middle of the grate. Not even close to 5 feet of passable unobstructed walkway. That's also clear in both pictures in this post. It seems like the City of Raleigh is simply ignoring this issue rather than addressing the safety of its citizens. Why??
Going forward, who do we contact if/when this happens again? Do we call 911??
fishie (Registered User)
bustingchops (Registered User)
JamesD (Guest)
Autumn (Registered User)
Mike (Registered User)
This is one of the best casual establishments dowtown. I'm not sure why everyone is such a hater with outside dining. These establishments is what started to bring people back downtown and with the change in ordinace, the city is now trying to put them out of business. Totally irresponsible government. I dont want to see the sidewalks rolled back to the 1970's, 80s and 90s when there was no life downtown after 5:00.
Get a life people!
Devon J Smith Jr. (Registered User)
Neighbor (Registered User)
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