As previously mentioned when you first brought this up a couple of weeks ago, this is zoned as a First Responder intersection due to the fire station located there. These designated and zoned intersections are no turn on read for safety reasons. Instead of taking up space here, write your council member and petition to have it rezoned/designated in the alternative manner you suggested in your last post about this.

There is less traffic coming out of A & C. The traffic coming out of B is quite a bit. As a person who lives close to here, I think this allows a good break in traffic for actually getting onto Platt from the side streets. In other words, this is one of the few 'NoTurn on Red' signs that seems to make sense as a traffic control measure.

Bruce and others. When there is no risk, there is no reason to restrict traffic flow. The same risk exists at all other intersections but the city only wants to inhibit traffic movement. Bike riders and pedestrians ignore the laws and put themselves at risk. Yet we punish vehicle drivers as if they are the problem. There are other solutions. The city needs to look at options other than installing more of these signs. The city needs to involve the citizens in making these decisions instead of using authoritarian power.

If it is safe to proceed from the other locations it should be safe to proceed from Platt. Let drivers be responsible for their actions instead of restricting their actions

Bruce, the fire station reason is an excuse, not a justification. Emergency responses are few and far between. They are not continuous. And traffic stops when they are in motion throughout the city. There is sufficient time to see them leaving the station as well as hear their sirens. It’s a poor excuse if that is the city’s reason.

Thanks (again) Bruce and Annie.

Gene, why do safer streets make you so anxious?
Do you have a therapist? You might want to bring this up with them.

Generye. If this is your hill to die on for our corner, then you need to make the same case for all the other first responders areas around town, including the hospitals. Work with City Council to change the ordinance if it is so important to you. Posting up here all the time is not going to get any movement or any of the changes you seek. All you're doing is yelling at the wind on this platform. I for one would rather have our first responders not have to worry about any issue of someone trying to beat them across the intersection or light, than have even just one incident. Besides, if you really kept up with the City and its developments, you would know that this intersection will eventually become a four way instead of three way when the plans get implemented for rebuilding this fire station.

Hi Generye. The statement "Let drivers be responsible for their actions instead of restricting their actions" is an insane take.

Gene, after looking at the rest of your posts I can say firmly that whatever you suggest is an awful idea and you should stop posting here.

Free speech is a constitutional right. I may not agree with your perceptions of right and wrong however I would never suggest you stop posting your views.

Sorry you disagree Ben. Common sense should be allowed instead of keeping the public underneath an authoritarian govt thumb.

Ok Boomer

Bruce, maybe a better signal system that sets all lights red when a fire truck responds could be implemented. That way the public can enjoy free movement when there is no emergency. Kinda an out of the box thinking instead of a closed environment solution and implementation.

"authoritarian government thumb" bro you are reporting pedestrian crosswalks as if they are oppressing your right to exist

You are quoting the bill of rights as if they protect you from me telling you your life is pathetic and your takes are trash

Having fun shouting at clouds, Gene?

I disagree with the no right turn on red restrictions when there is minimal foot traffic, oncoming traffic is visible for a good distance, and anyone not able to see emergency vehicles exiting the fire station should have their license revoked. There is nothing improved by posting these signs.

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Please stop. Just stop. As a resident in the neighborhood, I can say that the no-turn-on red is helpful for traffic control in getting in and out of the side streets. Signed, a baby boomer.

Amazing how pathetic and complacent some people can be. Sorry Annie, these signs do not help traffic flow. They restrict traffic flow. Proud to be a boomer.

Gene your reporting history is a nightmare. You once reported a woman who was pumping breastmilk for parking illegally. You once complained about a student crosswalk and said it was the pedestrians fault for not paying attention due to cell phones. You are selfish and uncaring which is hallmarks of a boomer.

My favorite in your history is when you recommended just replacing stop signs with yield signs to see if it increases car accidents. You are the least trustworthy person to make any decisions about traffic laws.

The only authoritarian here is you Gene. Based on your reporting behaviors you probably grew up during the red scare.

Admin... would you please close down what has become this very toxic post?

Sorry Ben. I grew up when people were responsible for their actions and we didn’t need govt to control all our movements. Too bad you seem to like having govt tell you what to do.

Sorry Gene. I grew up with people who don't have a massive stick up their rear and think they are god. Too bad it seems like you like having a stick up yours.

Nice comment Ben. I’m trying to improve what I see as a negative impact implemented by the city and you take what I try to keep as a civil conversations to a new low. Well done sir.

"Must one of those liberals who believes if you don’t believe like me then you should have no rights."-Gene 6/14/22
"Up yours"-Gene 3/5/24
"Thank god the compliant sheeple of Ann Arbor weren’t around during the Revolutionary War. What ever The King says we must do. Pathetic"-Gene 3/5/24
"What kind of stupid timing plan is this?"-Gene 10/7/23

You are bitter and lack any consideration of others unless things go your way. Don't use the guise of "civil conversation" when you consistently disrespect and demean others. I am authentic, sorry if that offends you.

Your entire worldview is just that nothing should inconvenience you which is the mindset of a toddler.

Nice job.

Genery, similar to how you constantly post on the bike lane violations. "there's room to go around", "stop whining about a minor inconveniences", "this person is so entitsled", "why are you taking critical safety services away from users of the road"

I'd encourage you to go live in the middle of no where and leave the rest of us alone. I hear Montana is nice.

I hope you all enjoy inconveniences. I don’t.

Genery, and yet you're still here making comments! Don't inconvenience yourself with seeclickfix, and everyone's lives will be improved.

Increased safety is everyone’s responsibility, not just vehicle drivers. Common sense should be allowed when there are no viable safety concerns. Pedestrians, bike riders, and vehicle drivers should be able to freely move when it is safe in accordance with State laws.

Genery, genery, genery. you made this report demanding safety features be removed and are now opening comments with safety is everyone's responsibility. Which is it?

I once again suggest you move somewhere well away from people. you won't have these pearls to clutch in montana!

This you Gene?

Glad to see you spending your time in a productive manner

Ross , safety is everyone’s responsibility, not just vehicle drivers as demanded by the city. I see pedestrians not paying attention to vehicles when crossing the street, i see bicycle riders running stop signs and turning right on red, and I see vehicle drivers driving it radically. Yet the only party in this triad that is restricted are vehicle drivers. It’s wrong whether or not you agree or dissagree. If others don’t like my opinions, too bad. I’m not going anywhere and will continue to use my freedom of speech to voice my opinions.

Vehicles are also the only "party in that triad" that is a huge piece of moving metal that can kill people so yeah of course it has more restrictions. Safety is everyone's responsibility, that is why we have collectively decided that the driver of a moving ton of metal needs to be a little more careful than a guy on a bicycle. Car drivers think they own public spaces but the monopoly of transit by cars is ending so get used to it.

Just because they are big hunks of metal doesn’t mean they are dangerous if used properly. People that walk in front of moving vehicles or ride their bikes into dangerous situations are part of the problem. Yet the city has chosen to penalize drivers instead of educating others that put themselves in harms way. It’s a pathetic solution with little thought process. If the city is going to have a knee jerk reaction to a minimal number of incidents that occur on an annual basis given the large number of cars and pedestrians in the city, then ban cars. I can find other ways to get to my destinations without traversing the city.

> Glad to see you spending your time in a productive manner

*holds up mirror in front of genery. *

let me guess, you're in the guns don't kill people crowd too? you can spew your wrong opinions as far as you want, but it doesn't make them valid or right. I legitimately think you'd be happier elsewhere, but I guess I planted you here because you're not one to be told what to do. lol

> Just because they are big hunks of metal

are you volunteering to test a theory of mine? I'll have the subject blindfolded and hit my several objects going 15 MPH and see how they do. Don't you worry, they'll all be operated by people licensed to operate them in the state of michigan.

Ross has no clue about reality, only what has been provided in a liberal, govt provides all the best solutions, environment. Most people make good decisions. Some stupid people make bad decisions. Difficult to prevent stupid. Let the people be free to make good decisions.

NEWS FLASH BUDDY, traffic laws and most laws actually exist because of the stupid decisions of the few. I used to drive emergency vehicles, I know I can comfortably and confidently drive over the speed limit. However I would have to be an idiot with a superiority complex to believe that it makes any sense to just let people do whatever, because not everyone else is a good driver or makes good decisions and when it comes to car accidents it is just not worth risking.

You make grand statements without any understanding of the issue, instead you just want to be mad about something. You have no clue about reality Gene, you live in a narcissistic bubble where you believe only you know what is best.

There are tens of thousands of residential driveways, parking lot driveways, controlled and uncontrolled intersections in Ann Arbor that have the same risks to pedestrians and bike riders that do not have my movement restrictions. These locations depend upon responsible drivers paying attention to their surroundings even though pedestrians and bike riders will not. Why is the risk greater for pedestrians and bike riders at these particular intersections requiring no right turn on red restrictions? If the risk is no greater why isn’t the city implementing restrictions at all these other locations? City management has a flawed thought process.

genery, It's so cute when you're upset. Both this and the last time you made this post, you were directed to the way to get this changed. Maybe, just maybe, catch up to reality and go about the process to get it changed?

Sorry Ross, I’m a boomer. Not changing. It’s a shame people accept change without sufficient justifications for the change. I have not seen any output from the city the substantiates these changes.

You are self-admittedly obsolete and afraid of change? Man you really are a Boomer. No one takes you or your ideas seriously Gene. Also it is very ironic that you say change is bad, then immediately complain how the city has made no changes for you.

Ben, I’m not obsolete. I don’t see the risks that required these changes. Show me the huge amount of injuries and deaths that have occurred on a continuing basis over time and you will change my mind. Boomers at least have a clue.

Genery, which is it again. Do you dislike inconveniences or is there plenty of room? https://seeclickfix.com/issues/16210111?poi_token=6cb419fa0d20afe3b19b03e7fa33a9c3d550039e&task=vote#comment-48023446

And yes, you're obsolete.

Ross, there are many people in Ann Arbor that agree with me, and we are not obsolete. We have more common sense than the group to which you belong. We can at least make educated decisions about safety without having government restrictions. If these intersections are so dangerous, why hasn’t the State changed the laws for right turn on red? Because it’s not a problem. I will continue to voice my opinions regardless of what you think.

aww, poor obsolete baby. Hasn't had self awareness to figure it out that the "There's dozens of us, dozens!" argument is really telling on themselves. Not that I expect you to get a reference in media.

you didn't answer my question, good little tantrum though. a toddler probably would have some notes on improvements though. So do you dislike inconveniences or not? it seems your long comment history is full of telling others you think inconveniences are expected.

Very grown up response. My request is to remove an inconvenience that is not necessary and does nothing to improve safety. If I am wrong, Aggie me the data.

I'm confused, why do you comment on so many bike lane things telling others to deal with inconveniences that are safety issues?

go find some consistency, or like I posted earlier, join the rest of us in reality and use the path to actually get this changed. I do love getting you to waste your energy here though, so thank you for that wonderful gift in your obsolescence.

I think I might be able to help you with the consistency, every time I see you comment on a post that doesn't match the views you've put forth here, I'm going to make a donation in your name to an organization. We'll start with city council members, and move on to the democratic party. maybe we'll get as far as the democratic socialists.

No Right Turn On Red signs are not a temporary inconvenience. Temporary blockages in bike lanes are, well, temporary, and bike riders can use the. Rest of the roadway to circumnavigate the obstructions. If you have a hard time seeing the difference you should try learning some simple basics.

I bet your matrix is only in the intersection temporarily and you're more than capable of circumnavigating the sign you're complaining about. Unless you're attempting to live in this intersection?

Ross, let it go. You are showing your lack of maturity.

Can't let a liberal sheeple have the last word, huh? you're always good for a chuckle, which I appreciate from the senile.

I'm pretty content letting you spend your energy here, since you seem to be too stubborn to put effort into the process that's been described to you in at least two of these requests you've created.

Senile? Nice try without knowing anything about me or my values. At least I have values without requiring the govt to guide me. Best thing about my generation is having a good understanding of right and wrong. Completely lost in your generation with acceptance of any and everything.

I don't accept you or your obsolete views, so that was easy to rebuff. you'll have to try a little harder to make a point worth making. You've been very good at expressing your values here and elsewhere publicly. Senile is not accurate, I'll give that to you. Those that are have an excuse for their condition.

Stop commenting at any point to end this thread, it's really a lot of fun to elicit a reaction from you.

At this point Gene you are just fully admitting you are mad that young people are accepting and don't harbor anger at every tiny thing like you do. Try doing some yoga or maybe go reconnect with nature, or die of a stress induce heart attack I don't really care. But know that your views are outdated, selfish, biased, and foolish. I am proud to have your disapproval because it means we are doing something right.

Ben, I’m not made at young people. Just don’t understand why they can’t think for themselves. Suggest you try using the mass between your ears and make some common sense decisions instead of accepting government’s every whim. You like sitting at red lights? Good, sit and wait. I’d rather be moving when it is clearly safe.